Comments on: RoboHelp and Flare: Room at the Table

By: Ben

Ben — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 23:47:18 +0000

Having wrote this post a number of months ago (and not having gone back and read it), I’ll respond by saying that I think I did come on a bit strong in the post, and I wrote a follow-up after I got more information. Still, the overall marketing message I got from MadCap when they started was “RoboHelp is old and broken, and you should buy Flare because it’s new.” That and a sense of negativity is what I remember several years later, regardless of the actual words they used. I’ve heard that MadCap is responsive in support, I would guess because they realized that they wouldn’t get far without being that way. And I think they did a good thing by striking out on their own and offering technical communicators another tool to choose from. They most likely expected RoboHelp to never be taken off the shelf again at Adobe.

It’s their marketing strategy I didn’t really like because it seemed based on a comparison with another product rather than its own merits. The irony is that the same company that talked about how lame RoboHelp was included the same guys who built it. I suppose they’d know RH’s shortcomings better than anyone else. Even after Adobe revived RH, I don’t think MadCap’s strategy and marketing audience changed (with the exception of adding people who need to decide on a tool to begin with). I’ve never seen any ads aimed at Doc-to-Help or Author-It users, though that doesn’t mean there haven’t been any.

By: mike

mike — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 09:00:57 +0000

I’ve met Mike Hamilton twice. I don’t recall the mud-slinging mentioned here. What I do recall is the responsiveness and enthusiasm of everyone at MadCap, which contrasted so sharply with Adobe’s attitudes at the time.

Even now, Adobe leaves me slightly cold. Sure, they have some tweeters and evangelists, but I see no indication whatsoever that the company’s core values have changed overmuch. I may regain some belief when I see some outline product roadmaps, when it stops price-gougeing in the UK, and when it no longer teeters on the edge of having to apologise for product support (again).

Mike’s enthusiasm, and whatever residual bitterness he may still hold, seems trivial by comparison. I don’t suppose it was easy taking on Adobe, and I’m delighted at MadCap’s success.

I’m also delighted that RoboHelp is still around. They keeep each other honest (as they say in F1 racing), which should be just fine by all of us, right?

By: 4fear

4fear — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:10:21 +0000

Talking about ancestors of Flare and Robohelp…structured authoring tools
although robohelp and Flare have origins that fall more into the realm of HATT.

The ancestors of FrameMaker, structured authoring, and content reuse in robohelp and flare, go way back into the days

Ventura Publisher, Charles F. Goldfarb,
troff, Donald Knuth, and Scribe (markup language)

http://www.techwr-l.com/archives/0804/techwhirl-0804-00195.html

a brilliant post on the history of structured authoring tools

By: Ben

Ben — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:36:19 +0000

A couple of references to Mike Hamilton's responses to Adobe were in forum posts that are apparently no longer available. I did find this page, in which some excerpts from an interview with Adobe's Michael Hu were addressed by Hamilton. Hu did take a little shot at MadCap. Hamilton's complete responses don't seem to be out there anymore, but I remember some negativity. Perhaps Hamilton felt some antagonism or belittlement from Adobe and was simply giving a knee-jerk reaction. I recall thinking something along the lines of, "Wow, he's really upset." That impression has obviously stayed with me until this discussion. The letter from Hamilton that Scott mentioned is more respectfully toned than the other things I remember reading. (By the way, I corrected my post to reflect his mentioning that he left Macromedia/Adobe voluntarily.) Still, here's to the advantages of blogging. The discussion has helped me see more to the situation. To avoid posting a more lengthy comment here, I've addressed this in another post.

By: Tom Johnson

Tom Johnson — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:33:30 +0000

Here's the best explanation of the Flare/RoboHelp history. It's a podcast. Mike Hamilton Gives Flare Demo to Suncoast Chapter. As one who has used both RoboHelp and Flare extensively for numerous help projects, Flare has won me over hands down. This is because I need to single source my deliverables. Flare is more robust, and you don't have to tweak the output to Word like you do with RoboHelp. There are some things about Flare that I dislike (see my post, "45 Things I Love About Flare, 31 Things I Hate"), but in general it it much more innovative than RoboHelp.

By: Ben

Ben — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:51:48 +0000

Thanks, Scott. When I have more time later, I’ll have to see if I can hunt down what I saw. I remember in particular seeing a lengthy post in a discussion forum by Hamilton in which he seemed pretty upset and critical. Perhaps he didn’t intend to come across that way, but that’s one of the problems with writing—if you do it in the heat of the moment, the heightened emotional response in readers may last longer than the actualy words themselves. If I find anything still out there, I’ll post it here.

While some rivalry in the market is to be expected, and things have cooled, MadCap’s approach still seems anti-RoboHelp. Running a company with a climate of enmity toward another organization isn’t a productive thing. I hope that MadCap isn’t perpetuating a problem that is in the past. If I can get in touch with Hamilton himself for some comments, I’ll also post them.

By: Scott Martin

Scott Martin — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:29:34 +0000

Thanks for the interesting entry. Our shop just went through a long evaluation process deciding whether to upgrade Robohelp or purchase Flare (we are long-time Robohelp users). During the process, I couldn’t help but note that it would have been a short process had Madcap Flare not been around to consider.

I also couldn’t help but notice that Robohelp 7 was an unusually robust upgrade from their last version, and I think it follows that the competition with MadCap has forced Adobe to sharpen their game. I agree that choice is good, and I look forward to years of fruitful competition between these two companies.

The only notes from Hamilton that I’ve seen are in his “Dear Help Authoring Professionals” letter on the MadCap Site, where he discusses his reasons for leaving Macromedia, which is pretty tame. Are there other online instances of this mudslinging?

I wouldn’t mind seeing companies go after each other a bit, even if it is within the seemingly staid field of technical communication. A bloody nose or two among competitors is to be expected. What I do mind is seeing technical communicators making tool choice a personal matter. It’s good to see you aren’t taking that road. Keep up the good work!

By: Chris Tackett

Chris Tackett — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 23:00:09 +0000

Been reading for a while now. Just wanted to say good job.

Chris Tackett